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Pres. Hinckley's talk was featured on www.usatoday.com, front page, shortly after conference ended. http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2006-04-01-mormonconference_x.htm

Just one comment to add to your notes on Pres. Hinckley's talk. You said, "Next, he criticized men who exit the job market on a long-term basis and let their wives support the family. Husbands are to be the breadwinners and should work to support the family."

I want to add that he was criticizing men who are physically able to work, but (due to laziness [my words, not his]) compel their wives to work so that money is coming into the home.

I agree with enochville. President Hinckley wasn't talking about employed moms per se, or about couples that make a mutual decision to have a stay-at-home dad. A SAHD is supporting the family. He was talking about guys that don't do anything to effectively support their family. Kind of like my wife's ex-husband.

The new racial dialogue in America is a "race to the bottom" with each side trying to claim the coveted title of "victim" for its own.

You see this a lot on the Republican talk radio circuit with bitter white guys griping about how they are the REAL victims in America of things like affirmative action, political correctness, and illegal immigration. Such griping usually makes a nice segue into saying derogatory things about other racial groups. After all, bigoted remarks are OK if they started it, right?

The other racial groups have their own similar problems of course ... but I'm talking about the group I have experience with.

It's part of a larger societal movement that seeks to emasculate men and turn them into a bunch of powerless, blundering crybabies demanding their entitlements. Whining is not consistent with the Priesthood. A Priesthood holder does not blame immigration for the loss of his job. He goes out there and finds a way to provide for his wife and children. And he doesn't waste his energy in fruitless animosity.

That was the take-home message for me. Perhaps it was different for you.

I second all the "race" comments made on this and other threads. President Hinckley was right to address them, and I believe inspired to address them; however, (at least in my "read" of his remarks) he also condemned "war". He asked why were there wars, why we treated each other so badly. I hope this does not get lost in his racial remarks. The Church and the Nation needed to hear President Hinckley's racial remarks. But, just as much, the Church and the Nation needed to hear, and to heed his remarks on war, given what this nation is doing particularly in Iraq.

I think it's going to be hard to construe an Iraq statement out of his remarks.

He did make a general condemnation of hatred.

To which, the pro-Bush crowd will respond:
"That's why we're in Iraq - to fight hatred."

General statements about "war is bad" will inevitably be answered by pointing at Captain Moroni, etc.

He did call for more forgiveness in the world. Which is good advice for anyone. Maybe, in time, I can even forgive the Bush administration.

But not the Christian right, of course. For them it's vendetta time!

There was no explicit mention of Iraq in Pres. Hinckley's remarks -- making Iraq a primary reference of his remarks is a stretch, I think.

He did address racial animosity within the Church directly and forcefully. It wasn't like it was one of a dozen topics he touched on, it was his central point. And it wasn't a general "can't we all get along" plea, it was specific anger directed at vestiges of racial bigotry displayed by LDS priesthood holders against LDS members of various races or ethnicities. This is certainly how the media (that has access to transcripts) is reporting it.

Links: SL Trib | Deseret News

thanks, Dave, I really appreciate all these summaries, they give me a good rounded view of the session. Even the ones I've watched (not this one, of course) have been made more meaningful to me by the insights of others.

Good job.

Not to be contentious; but, President Hinckley was never going to mention Iraq by name. He did however, expressly condemn war in his remarks. It's not a stretch to look at the wars now raging around the globe and see that the most "major" of all the wars out there is the one in which we are engaged in Iraq. It may not be a popular interpretation among many of the "saints", but it is, I believe plausible. That's not to say other current wars could, and likely do fall within his condemnation--I think they do. War is not a good thing, and for the most part it is an unjustified an unholy activity.

I don't care how many references are made to Capt. Moroni--none of the current wars raging (possibly with the exception of Afghanistan) even come close to Capt. Moroni on war.

I remember when I got back from my mission to Japan in the mid-90s.

My great aunt asked me to give a presentation for, what I guess was the equivalent of a Mormon ladies bridge club (basically all her friends).

I had a map, a flag, photos, and other stuff. I gave a nice little presentation on the culture with some annectdotes I think.

What I do remember clearly was that as I was talking about the Japanese people, I heard one of the ladies mutter to the other

"You can't trust em."

She was part of Dan Rather's greatest generation though. They pretty much hated the Japanese and indulged in a widespread predjudice that all "orientals" are inherently dishonest.

A couple of my other elderly acquaintances are staunch in the belief that the Japanese internment camps were "for their own good." I also have the distinct impression that if I had, for example, married an African American woman, there would have been several raised eyebrows among the Mormons I knew, and stony disapproval from the more elderly in the ward.

The people with the firehoses in Montgumery Alabama are still alive today and so are their contemporaries. Maybe these folks had a change of heart when Martin Luther King was shot and haven't thought anything bad about our brethren of other races ever since.

Maybe. But I know human nature and somehow I doubt it.

It's no longer appropriate to speak of these things. But I believe that the old enmities are alive and well in our seniors. They keep it to themselves of course. But they still think exactly the same things about black people that they thought in the 1960s.

As far as the old "Mark of Cain" business. You better believe that they are still convinced of it. They think the Church has just kept quiet about it due to the insidious influence of the PC movement. But we still do believe that blacks are inherently less righteous right?

Well wrong. But THEY still believe it. And somehow, I doubt they are going to change since one of the hallmarks of getting old is that your opinions start to fosillize.

The old guard, with exceptions, are pretty much set in their ways and all we can do is appreciate the real richness of their lives. As for the racism ... just have to wait for them to die off I guess.

Unfortunately, the new generation of young thirty-somethings is indulging in the new fad of white victimhood as an excuse for keeping the old animosities alive. Just two days ago, our local high school had to ban all American flags, except for official school flags from the school grounds because local white high school students had started waving flags in the faces of local latino students while yelling insults.

All a backlash to the Mexican flag waving that has been going on. But I'm just saying that the new racial enmity is being preserved by the new trend of "White Victimhood" enthusiastically endorsed by conservative talk radio.

Seth, this guy in our town wrote an editorial yesterday that I found thought provoking. He made the comment that there are no minute men on the Canadian border, he felt that there was some racism involved in the Mexican immigration problem. I agree. It's how my mind worked. Although Canadians aren't looking to immigrate in millions, either.

Your comment about the woman who whispered "you can't trust them"--I think the older generation is still speaking of a place where Pearl Harbor happened. Plus the Japanese were so vicious to our POW's, I still have a resentment about that.

I don't find her comment racist, I find it an honest conclusion based on her experience.

"He made the comment that there are no minute men on the Canadian border"

Hi, the above comment is no longer true. As of today, there is a group of minutemen at the canadian border in Washington State. It was on our morning news here in the northwest.

I feel sorry for those people who hold animosity for those of other races because of the past, like in your example of the old ladies who are apparently racist against the Japanese.

I hope you realize that many other countries hate Americans because of what a few people did at abu ghraib or because of the war in Iraq. Just because there are Americans capable of stripping down people and sexually molesting them, it doesn't mean that all Americans are like that. Just because there were Japanese that did horrible things to Americans, doesn't mean that all Japanese are bad. If those old women aren't racist, then they are just ignorant. I'm not sure which is worse.

On my mission, I had a companion that would sometimes tell racist jokes, directed towards both blacks and Mexicans.

One time, he tried to tell me one and I replied, "Do you think Christ would tell that joke?".

There is still racism in the church. I have been hoping for a long time that someone would make a direct refrence to racism.

I grew up in rural Georgia, and lived next door to someone in the kkk. I also saw plenty of racism at church among many of the members. It truly saddens me.

Thanks, Julz, good to know.

Ian, that bites, doesn't it? Although I don't think people holding a grudge toward the Japanese is racist, it's ignorance, and most people would overcome that quickly.

That's an observation of age. I guess some things God takes care of.

Although, you guys, have you ever been to Disneyland and stomped by 4'6" Japanese people?

Oh, I have no illusions about the Japanese. They still hire private investigators over there to search out the geneology of the boy who wants to marry their daughter to make sure there's no Korean heritage in his family.

The Japanese were quite monstrous in World War II which has bred much resentment (though, in all fairness, China likely would have behaved just as poorly).

But I'm not sure how aware of the abuses most Americans of the time were. Most Americans didn't even know about Jewish concentration camps until after the war.

Notice, that the same animosity never extended to Germans, Russians, or Italians. I think that half of the resentment at Pearl Harbor was that we had been beaten by a "bunch of lousy Japs."

Besides, if you read the history of Asian Americans, you'll know that Chinese were being legislated out of California schools, beaten, harrassed and generally discriminated against LONG before Pearl Harbor.

No. The racism of Americans toward the "damn Japs" is well documented and impacted how the US regarded Japan during the war.

There were a couple of talks today (Sunday) that seemed to be slamming trends in talk radio. Perhaps they'll put pressure on KSL regarding their afternoon show? (grin) I'm a conservative but hate the tone of Sean Hannity.

Sean Hannity is the most civil, however. Or maybe Laura Ingram.

I can only take about 5 minutes of any talk radio. I'm argumentative, but I just can't take that stuff.

Next temple recommend interview question:

"Have you ever sent an angry letter to the Provo Daily Herald?"

Please. I'm DYING to know what everyone thinks of Julie B. Beck's talk. I think it relates to this topic. Dontcha know we ALL have the opportunity of being blessed by the priesthood. We can ALL be baptized. We can ALL partake of the sacrament. There's just one teensy little thing we CAN'T all do, too small to even mention....

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