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This is important to keep in mind.

Interesting.

A document that has appeared on Wikileaks indicates that "Elders Ballard, Christopherson & Clayton...emphasized that there wasn't much participation from non-LDS people."

http://wikileaks.org/wiki/LDS_Church_Proposition_8_anti-gay_campaign_notes

Good grief, in my circles, local church bodies have had whole days of prayer and fasting for this.

The famous ex-Mormon in Utah gave 1 million (?) to go against prop 8. But if I had a million in spare change, I would counter him.

My dad is on the Interfaith Council in Orange County and the majority of churches are fully supportive of Prop 8. Perhaps the LDS volunteers are just a little more active in the campaigning (we are used to giving lots of service and have organizational systems in place to know how to do this well). Regardless of the level of support, I know that good people are coming together from a variety of backgrounds to defend marriage and that is great.

I have a theory of why I think despite the polls Prop. 8 will pass. There are only two groups that care enough about this issue and that is gays (and a few supportive liberals) and religious conservatives. The rest of the people probably say they are against the proposal because they just don't care if gays do or don't get called married. What that means is no matter how smug pro-SSM are that the Prop. 8 won't pass, there will be a huge number of voters who do want it to pass. They will be going to the polls where other people stay home with a shrug of not wanting or caring to get involved. Of course the question is if there are more religious conservatives or gays and their active supporters. Since many religious conservatives are anti-poll takers the numbers are probably actually in their favor.

Non-religious Prop. 8 supporters will be important too. The Pew Forum reports that one third of Californians attend a religious service weekly, and another third at least a few times a year. Some religious people will vote against Prop. 8, so among the half or so of California voters who will support the amendment, there will be many whose motives are not primarily religious.

Prop 8 isn't an issue about "rights". It is about preserving the definition of "marriage" as between a man and a woman. Gay people can do what they want, and they can even enjoy many civil benefits through civil unions and the such. But that isn't marriage. Gay people should be treated with kindness and respect, like anyone. Gay people aren't the issue here nor the problem. The problem is that 4 arrogant judges in black robes sitting in their ivory tower overturned the express will of a clear majority of California citizens when they ruled by fiat and illegally legislated from the bench when they unilaterally redefined marriage. Prop 8 allows the citizens of California to say no to Judicial Activism and Judicial Tyranny. There are elements of the judiciary that are way out of control and are endangering the balance of power in our republic by getting involved in "legislating". This has got to stop. Voting yes on Prop 8 will help put those elitist judges back in their place and let them know they cannot arrogantly overule the will of the people in a matter as fundamental to the future of civilization as the bedrock institution of marriage. That is something important enough that it should not be left to 4 elitist judges to impose by fiat.

May I speak a word to just those of you who are my gay friends, neighbors, coworkers, and fellow-countrymen. You are a minority and I'm sure you recognize that. And that is ok. But please show kindness and tolerance for the rest of us and vote with us to help preserve marriage as between a man and a woman. I know you may not have any personal parochial interest in voting yes on Prop 8. But as your friend and neighbor, I'm asking for your vote to help preserve the definition of this institution that is so important. Thank you.

John Mansfield said "Prop 8 isn't an issue about "rights". It is about preserving the definition of "marriage" as between a man and a woman."

I know many members of the Church would like to pitch prop 8 as ONLY a "moral issue" not a civil rights issue, but that's just slight of hand. It's not and either or matter. Why can't it be both moral and civil? Anybody listening?

If anybody out there in the Church has a solution for our gay "friends" that's workable and moral besides marriage I'm listening. And don't give this baloney about "Domestic Partnerships" The church has actively opposed ANY form of recognizing or protecting gay couples. They're not okay with that. Never have been.

granddad,

And don't give this baloney about "Domestic Partnerships" The church has actively opposed ANY form of recognizing or protecting gay couples. They're not okay with that. Never have been.

You sure about that? Check this out.

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