Yes, Evangelicals have brought to pass a modern-day miracle: by once again doing their best to loudly ridicule Mormons quietly attending the LDS Church's semi-annual General Conference in Salt Lake City last week, activist Evangelicals impelled the Salt Lake Tribune to publish an editorial defending Mormons. Print that page — you won't see it again soon.
Since the SL Trib now archives their articles after a couple of weeks, I'll post a few quotes from the column for the sake of posterity:
- "It's too bad more national media attention isn't focused on the so-called "street preachers" who trek to Salt Lake City twice a year to scream insults at the LDS faithful and their children who are committing the vile sin of walking to a church service."
- "Had there been national media exposure, however, "Christian" voters around the country would have seen those who claim to represent their view of religion acting the fool, hopping around, yelling at little kids that they are going to hell and whining about their constitutional rights being violated because they couldn't stand on the sidewalk impeding the movement of Mormons walking to and from General Conference."
- "There were only about 15 Bible-thumpers protesting LDS conference last week, so it's unfair to paint the entire fundamentalist Christian movement with their brush. But they express in their own obnoxious way many of the sentiments that have been uttered by preachers in Christian churches around the country and among those God-fearing folks who answer pollsters' questions about Mitt Romney."
My own summary thoughts on the general topic of activist Evangelicals who think they're justified in doing this sort of thing can be found at my post, "Evangelicals Are Spiteful, Intolerant Bigots." It's stunts like this, multiplied a thousand-fold, that help explain why the public regard for Evangelicals is in steady decline. The only ones who don't get it are Evangelicals themselves. The rest of us get it.
I keep wondering when some videos of these guys are going to hit YouTube. It's really ugly stuff.
I was surprised at the vitriol and ranting that I witnessed and heard there myself some years ago.
How anyone could confuse that sort of behavior with following Jesus Christ is beyond me.
Posted by: danithew | Oct 16, 2007 at 03:46 PM
Seek and ye shall find ... I couldn't listen to these very well at work - but I imagine they give the viewer a sense of what these protesters are like:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5ab3SiqCqI0
http://youtube.com/watch?v=JzNjubVaIY8
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xPjZzCJ7ODs
Posted by: danithew | Oct 16, 2007 at 03:55 PM
I have never attended a General Conference. I have only watched it on television.
I was almost tempted to go this year. And for the express purpose of communicating with the street preachers.
Maybe, I will do this next year. And maybe, I might end up in next years SL Trib.
It will be me whipping some street preacher's butt with underwear. Could be quite a news picture.
Posted by: Todd Wood | Oct 16, 2007 at 04:54 PM
A couple of years ago I attended a public event for kids and their families, where the gay and lesbian community was making a big effort to turn out in order to show that they have families too. I was a little apprehensive that they would turn it into a circus.
Turns out the ill-behaved ones were the Christian protesters. Why anyone thinks it is a good idea to make kids of both gay and straight families look at signs condemning "gay sex," etc, is beyond me. Unless you really paid attention, you would not otherwise have noticed the presence of gay families.
Posted by: Jared* | Oct 16, 2007 at 05:13 PM
I agree that civility and respect should be the foundation for public discourse between religions. I used to live in Topeka, Kansas where we had a local preacher who has achieved some renown for the detestable way in which he targets those of other faiths, including Evangelical Christians and Mormons. These kind of antics are usually most attractive to those who are either insecure or suffering acute anxiety about their own religious views; yet it is still amazing how many people silently agree with the underlying current of religious intolerance.
On the other hand, I think that reacting in an overly defensive or personal way to this kind of provocation only plays into the hands of these kinds of agitators. The SLTribune article would seem to feed rather than mollify the protesters. It feels good to "get revenge" through words against someone who has caused you grief, but in the end more bad feelings are generated.
My personal belief is that evils such as this can be clearly opposed without resorting to vengeful comments like those posted by the Tribune. In fact, though we may salve our feelings by issuing an emotional rebuttal, we are in fact stirring up more evil than good by doing so.
Posted by: James | Oct 16, 2007 at 09:17 PM
I was in SLC for conference this year and I actually struck up a very nice conversation with one of the sign-bearers outside temple square. He was a more quiet sign-bearer named Doug. He (a "recovering" Jehovah's Witness) and his friend (a "recovering" mormon) were in the same Baptist congregation in Nevada and had come out to SLC on their own dime to "help" mormons see the "truth," and he made sure to mention that their trip was not supported or sanctioned by his local baptist church (in fact, his preacher had asked him not to go, if I recall correctly).
Doug was soft-spoken and kind, and we engaged in a very respectful conversation. I did not offer any opinions at all, but simply sought to understand his position expressed on the sign he carried and in the tracts he bore. It became clear to me that Doug really did love mormons, and really wanted to help people he saw as misguided.
As I was talking to Doug, several other conference-goers passed (I was dressed casually this day) and were not very kind to Doug, even though he said nothing to them (he was holding a sign that said something about believing in Jesus and not the "Mormon Jesus". These Latter-day Saints yelled things like "go home" and "taliban Christian" to Doug. Doug took it very well.
Not all of the "bible-thumping" evangelical types lurking around Temple Square during conference are obnoxious or insulting. Some, like Doug, are surprisingly soft-spoken and kind.
Posted by: Jordan F. | Oct 18, 2007 at 10:28 AM
Jordan F. -- so I suppose if I show up outside Doug's Baptist congregation waving a sign encouraging those in the congregation to worship the true Jesus rather than the "Baptist Jesus" they will think that I am soft-spoken and kind? Hah! Hardly. Doug may be soft-spoken, but he's still a hypocrite. And if you gave him a pat on the back for what he's doing, you are too. But it sounds like his Baptist pastor has a good head on his shoulders. Maybe you should go talk to him.
Posted by: Dave | Oct 18, 2007 at 10:44 AM
Dave, if you did that at our church building, I would invite you out to dinner. I would enjoy talking about Christology. But I don't know, some of the men in my church might beat me to it for seeking a nice discussion sort of like what Jordan F. had.
What about this? Let's say I brought a group, dressed all in their Sunday best to Conference. We gained the permission to set up a handbell choir and instrumental ensemble somewhere on one of the sidewalks. We would have a small literature table. And if people asked questions, we would engage in polite conversations.
But I would need to tell some street preachers to stop bellowing so that people could enjoy the music.
Posted by: Todd Wood | Oct 18, 2007 at 11:01 AM
Craig Foster and Steve Mayfield gave a presentation at the FAIR conference this year where they showed a bunch of photos of the protesters over the years. The funny part of their presentation was when they showed the anti-protester signs that some people brought.
There have been singing groups who stood next to preachers to drown them out. There were the "ya ya" guys who just stood next to the protesters saying "ya ya ya ya ya" so that nobody could understand them. There was the guy who dressed up as the devil and held up a sign saying, "Hi, my name is Satan, and these street preachers are my missionaries."
It was one of the funniest presentations at the conference, but it ultimately made the same point that Dave is making. These preachers are their own worst enemy since people can't take them seriously.
Posted by: Bradley Ross | Oct 20, 2007 at 09:16 AM
I'm afraid I agree with the other Dave regarding Doug, the recovering JW, but not enthusiastically. I can appreciate Doug's love and effort to save us lost sheep, but General Conference is our time, a sacred time, and in a showdown of spiritual messages poor Doug came unarmed. He should have listened to the preacher.
Posted by: Dave T. | Nov 06, 2007 at 11:34 PM
Here's the weird thing for me about shrill anti-mormonism. I myself left the LDS church after coming back from a full and honourable mission in Japan because I had very easily come to the conclusion - for myself -that it simply wasn't 'true' in the literal sense, and I wasn't interested in attending for 'family' or even just 'cultural' reasons.
Ever since then my stand has basically been that it's a pretty good institution, just not for me. I can find the Mormon thing irritating occasionally - as can some Mormons I suppose - but I can understand why people continue to be part of it. It's a good thing to be part of in its own way.
But I'm utterly bewildered by placard-carrying, insult-throwing, bile-publishing anti-mormonism. If Mormonism is a waste of time, then people who spend their time attacking it are completely pathetic. It honestly mystifies me why anyone would want to devote themselves so obsessively and angrily to attacking a church that doesn't hurt anyone and which encourages a pretty wholesome, decent way of life.
So I'm an ex-Mormon who thinks anti-mormons are absurd and tragic.
Posted by: bamboom | Nov 08, 2007 at 07:26 AM
That's a refreshing and positive approach, bamboom. I wish you luck in finding something else about life that is both meaningful and true ... in the literal sense.
Posted by: Dave | Nov 12, 2007 at 09:27 PM